Rachel: Yeah but again, well he obviously
never drove it unless he did drive it maybe?
Sharon: No, because it was all blocked in and
there wasn’t a gate, the car must of been driven in and then the wall was built
Rachel: Maybe yeah
Sharon: Remember there was nowhere for that car
to come out
Rachel: Yeah Maybe…
Sharon: Remember that?
What about in the Summer, What did he wear then?
Both: The same
Rachel: It
definitely wasn’t seasonal! He had the same coat and the same… [Sharons: Shoes, the same plimsolls]
shoes and the same flat cap! Yeah the same.
Mum said that he wore a white vest top and shorts and that
Rachel: Really?
Sharon: Yeah
that does ring a bell actually, a white vest…
Rachel: I don’t know I don’t remember that,
don’t forget that I’m a baby compared to these two, I don’t remember that, I
definitely don’t remember that
Sharon: When
was the heatwave, what year was you born in?
Rachel: 73
Sharon: 73, I think maybe the heatwave was 75? Yes
that is fact, there was vests and shorts yes
Rachel: I don’t remember that at all no, I
obviously blocked that one out of my memory
Sharon: Like erm, like a little Dad’s Army
character, that’s what he looked like [Rachel:
Oh really?] yeah, when there were back in the mess yeah, little shorts and
vests yeah
Rachel: Crikey, yeah no I don’t remember that
at all no
Did he give you nightmares
at all?
Rachel: No it’s just someone that you’d wouldn’t…
Sharon: We didn’t
run away from him did we? But we also didn’t run to him either
Rachel: No no, I’d
suppose would’ve been scared if you met him on your own, but I never had any
nightmares, not that I can remember that I wouldn’t, no I didn’t have any
nightmares… Yeah but no he didn’t, he he- I’d say that he didn’t scare me, as
in but you would be scared as in you wouldn’t want to approach the house for
the Knock Down Ginger but he wouldn’t be giving me nightmares no. I wouldn’t of
had any bad experiences with him
What about his behaviour? Anything odd?
Rachel: Well because he never spoke, it would
have been different if he sort of shouted things at you, did he shout?
Sharon: No he never spoke, but on reflection
now, you know when you look back on it, and I never given him a moment’s
thought in adult life, we never laughed at him, so we obviously thought that he
deserved some sort of respect
Rachel: Yeah, we didn’t jeer at him, did we? [Sharon: no no] there was no jeering
Sharon: and there was a lot of kids in Park
Avenue, there was [Rachel: and there
could have been a lot of jeering going on] probably twelve playing out the
front wasn’t there, but nobody every laughed, they just sort of cleared the way
as he scuttled along, we just sort of stood to one side
Rachel: And I think because he was really out at night time anyway ya
know sort of… maybe we just gave him respect, and maybe it was because maybe
because mum maybe told us that his wife drowned maybe
Sharon: Thankfully he never invited us swimming
because we’d knew then that we would never be alive after the outing
Rachel: Yeah no, I think that if he spoke…I
think that if someone speaks to you you get a clearer picture wouldn’t you?
Rumour of being chopped up and put in the fridge/freezer
Rachel: But that’s why because that was obviously the
story about his wife according- he didn’t drown her, apparently, she’d committed
suicide
Sharon: He kept his wife in the fridge? I don’t
know about that, I think, I think Ricky Dillon, was trying to give Catharine
Dillon nightmares
Rachel: Yeah no I wouldn’t know again, and I
normally got a really good memory for things as well haven’t I? But maybe it
was because he was weird
Sharon: She was killed years before we came on
the scene though
Rachel: Yeah, but whether mum heard that
story from Mrs Lana
Sharon: And I wonder how old he was, he looked
90, but he may well of only been 60
Rachel: He may well of been our age
Sharon: Oh no
Rachel: He might be
Sharon: What our age now?
Rachel: Yeah
Sharon: No no he was older then that, but he did
look like a really withered old man, but I would guess maybe he wasn’t, he
probably was only about 60
Rachel: Yeah possibly yeah, but that was
only because mum had said it wasn’t it? About the um drowning and then it was
like ‘oh I remember that now’
Sharon: And everyone puts such emphasis on the
clothes were still on the chair where she removed them, if your gonna drown
yourself, you might as well keep your clothes on really mighten you
Rachel: Probably easier to put her in the
fridge or the freezer
Sharon: I’m surprised that he had such white
goods, like a fridge freezer
Rachel: Back in the day yeh
Last Words
Rachel: Mr Plimsolls didn’t have
any children, I think we’ve kind of-
Sharon: Oh definitely not, didn’t have any
animals, didn’t have anything
Rachel: I wonder what year he died in then…
he died in that house…do you remember that?
Sharon: did he die, when I still lived at home?
Rachel: Yeah I’d say so..
Sharon: What he was still alive or he had died?
Rachel: No, he would have been dead by then
wouldn’t he?
Sharon: I have no idea Rach, I’ve got no idea
when that house was renovated, I looked at that house to buy it at some stage
in my life. That freaked me out though, when Craig said that the house was
going up for sale did I want to go look at it, I just couldn’t get his little
face out of my mind when I was looking round it. I didn’t even mention the
drowning in the bath room.